Posting about Albert Ellis yesterday reminded me of this cool film series made in 1965 called Three Approaches to Psychotherapy. It shows three very famous therapists talking with the same client, named Gloria. First is Carl Rogers doing his non-directive Person Centered Therapy. Next is Fritz Perls doing his demanding-total-authenticity Gestalt therapy. (This was developed with his wife, Laura, making it the only one having significant female authorship.) Last is Albert Ellis doing his the-way-you-are-thinking-about-things-makes-you-unhappy Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy.
I don’t know how much of the following is true, but this is what I’ve heard: Part of the deal in making this film was that Gloria could choose a therapist based on her very short sessions with each of them. She chose Fritz Perls. Later, she struck up a friendship with Carl Rogers that lasted the rest of her short life. She died in her 50s.
Recent research on what makes therapy effective suggests that the style of therapy you use is not a major factor. It seems to do more with the quality of the relationship between the client and the therapist and how much the client believes the therapy will help. In light of that it’s striking how different these approaches are. You will see what I mean.
Each therapist’s section is about 30 minutes. Each therapist presents his basic theory, talks with Gloria for a bit, and then talks about what he thinks he just did. Rogers’ is broken up into several clips–that’s the only way I could find it. Perls’ and Ellis’s videos are each in one piece, and from Google video instead of YouTube, so they take longer to load. You might let each of the longer clips run through before watching it to avoid it breaking up if you have a slow connection like I do.
May 19, 2010 at 8:24 am
I can hardly wait to watch these, Nathen! Which style is your favorite?
May 20, 2010 at 10:12 am
I like all three, Mom, but what I do leans more towards Rogers than the other two.
May 24, 2010 at 1:03 am
I didn’t like any of these techniques, and I didn’t like the client!
May 24, 2010 at 8:03 am
I guess you’re more of a transactional-analysis kind of person, Mom.
May 24, 2010 at 12:07 pm
I don’t think I’d make a very good therapist! I’d have to spend a lot of time with people I don’t enjoy.
Also, it makes me mad when someone mirrors back everything I say. It’s so phoney to me, like they are trying a technique on me instead of just spontaneously responding to me. (I think I’ve read too much about all this!) Fritz was just plain combative, and the other guy was too analytical, too much in his head. Still I did think it was a rare privilege to get to observe three different types of therapists do their thing with the same client. It was interesting that she got a TOTALLY different experience with each one. The problem she initially came to talk about was never even mentioned to the last two therapists. They knew where they wanted to go with her, but the first guy let her take the lead on everything. She was actually very smart and articulate, but it was painful to see how immature she was considering she had children.
July 5, 2010 at 1:32 am
As old gestalt freak from the pre neoliberal marketing period, I wonder how therapy gets still view as a “clients choice” only, like picking the right morning cereals for the own taste. Its a 2 way situation, and to remain healthy oneself its important to not accept to cooperate with ” therapist scalp collectors” or simply people who “don’t smell right” to oneself. As intuition is an important tool, neglecting it at the start is a twisted attempt to appear “nice”(latin/nescius=ignorant). Sometimes a “no” , can be a greater acknowledgement of the other human than an omnipotent “healer” illusion. Not everybody can have a meaningful communication with everybody or it ends in an insipid “looking at the clock” distance.Therapy requires a minimum of honest motivation on both sides to bear the fruits of the future.
December 18, 2010 at 8:44 am
I a udergrad psych student, I really enjoyed this, I’ve seen the rogers one before. I’m really glad to learn about rational emotive therapy, will be looking further in to it.
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August 23, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Was there ever a video recording of Gloria’s reflections on these sessions?
March 15, 2012 at 5:15 pm
yes, it was at the end after Ellis talked about what occurred during his session.
March 30, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Where can I see this film of Gloria’s response to her experiences with Rogers, Perls, & Ellis?
January 8, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I was just thinking the same thing: is there any client feedback? I thought that Rogers was very sensitive and repectful. Gloria was wonderful with Perls fiesty and truthful but Ellis talked through Gloria’s session and I thought his work was pushy formulaic and overpowering: Gloria faded into the wall paper and almost disappeared in the session with Ellis.Gloria continually talked about ‘contact’ and I think that the only therapist Gloria made safe contact with is Rogers. She didn’t feel safe with Perls and Ellis took control, made assumptions; almost infantalising her. I really like Gloria. It was very courageous of her to assist in these taped sessions. So thankyou Gloria for taking on that task.
January 8, 2012 at 2:26 pm
According to WikiAnswers, Gloria chose Perls as her therapist and later struck up a friendship with Rogers.
I agree with you that Gloria was very courageous!
March 15, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Rodgers wrote love letters to Gloria up until the end
March 2, 2013 at 1:09 pm
I don’t think they were love letters. Probably just friendly replies to a very courageous and bright woman who went on after appearing in the TAP I series to become an RN and very successful as her daughter Pamela told me in a phone conversation of a few years ago when she told me about the book she was writing.
Sharon Shostrom
Psychological & Educational Films
February 27, 2012 at 8:06 am
I have recently started work with a Community Mental Health Team and have been asked to look into buying a copy of the Gloria videos – so far I’ve come up blank! I can view this through Google or whatever but what I’m looking for is an actual video/DVD to use for a presentation. Does anyone have any idea where I could buy a copy – pref in the UK.
February 28, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Hi Maxine,
I’m sorry, but I can’t help you with that one. I have only seen these videos on YouTube and Google video, myself. Plus, I’m based in the US. Perhaps one of my readers has a line on this?
Nathen
August 2, 2012 at 10:20 am
http://www.apa.org/pubs/videos/4310889.aspx
this is the APA website that has the DVD version. not sure if it is PAL, however.
March 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm
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March 21, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Wonderful!
September 11, 2012 at 3:32 pm
I think it is easy to be cynical when wwatching these films. I think this is the case because both Perls and Ellis were focued on demonstrating their theoretical approaches and treated Gloria as an object to b manipulated.
Rogers, on the other hand, sought to understand Gloria’s inner world and validated her expereince of it. His reflecting back to her, as if he was a mirror, contronted Gloria with her feelings, thoughts and self criticism. His warmth allowed her to feel secure in revealing aspects of herself that were below the surface. The fact Rogers and Gloria continued to have contact after this event is testimony to the significance of that half hour for
both.
Glorias’s courage in allowing herself to be filmed in this context cannot be overestimated.
John
March 2, 2013 at 1:04 pm
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March 5, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Gloria’s daughter is out with a book entitled: Surviving the Gloria films.
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Gloria-Films-Pamela-Burry/dp/1906254028/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362543836&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=surviving+the+gloria+films
Can’t wait to read it!
October 15, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Here is a link to the complete Rogers section.
I love this series. Watched it in first year counselling and fell in (professional) love with Perls. He completely diffuses the pre-emptive barriers, shifts focus to the “I and Thou, the here and now” which lets the real, unrehearsed truth be revealed.
Personally I adopt and adapt to all three approaches, but must say – Love Gestalt!
April 18, 2014 at 4:27 pm
Does anyone know where I can get a n electronic copy of a transcript of the ellis gloria interview. I already have the rogers transcript but I am finding it difficult to find Ellis transcript?
November 4, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Worldcat libraries most universities carry them.
September 6, 2015 at 10:24 pm
these are captioned video, hopefully helpful for you who doesnt really good at english listening (like me)
p.s: make sure you’ve turned on the CC
Carl Rogers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1bU4XuUyg
Albert Ellis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcq4RMzSyng
Fritz Perls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIsPg4YDgHY
September 4, 2016 at 10:26 am
Man, you’re my hero! really helpful dude! thankyou so much
February 10, 2016 at 11:26 am
Where can I find an electronic copy of the transcript for the Fritz Perls interview with Gloria?
November 26, 2017 at 1:21 pm
I remember watching Gloria’s sessions with these three masters back in grad school in 1976, and it was a delight to watch them again. I’ve already written about Rogerian, gestalt and rational therapy at jeffkooblog, and will be doing a blog post on “the Gloria tapes” soon. I know Fritz Perls comes across as abrasive if you don’t have a good understanding of gestalt therapy. I wasn’t able to find Gloria’s interview after the three sessions on YouTube, but as I recall Gloria said that although she LIKED Uncle Carl best, she thought she got the most out of the session with Fritz. As fortune would have it, I actually met Carl Rogers and Albert Ellis.
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