I am struck by the lack of data in the gun-control conversation I have heard on TV and radio lately. Perhaps this is because, as my friend Ethan wrote, “the dialogue on gun laws in the US is locked between two positions that are both completely divorced from reality,” and there is no room for data in that kind of dialogue. Whatever the reason, casual listeners like myself hear a lot of talk and very little statistics.
What kind of guns fire the bullets that kill people in this country? If for some reason we’re only interested in mass killings (which most of the time seems to be the case), what kinds of guns fired those bullets? What percentage of the guns were purchased (new? used?) by the shooter? What percentage stolen? How many killings were “good guys” killing “bad guys”? In other words, how much of the killing that has happened would be have been effected by each set of proposed gun-control regulations?
What are the media diets of murderers? Do they differ in any real way from non-murderers? Is there any hint of a dose-response relationship between media violence/1st person shooters and murder? In other words, do you increase your chances of killing someone by playing Half-Life 2 for 900 hours?
I am in a similar state of frustrated ignorance about mental illness and mass killings, or murder in general. This is a subject that interests me greatly, as I work in the mental health system. It is somehow much more controversial to increase the regulations on guns than it is to create a national database of people who have been diagnosed with mental disorders. I can’t think of a better way to reduce the number of people who get help with psychological troubles that to create a database of them.
Maybe I could be swayed, though, if I had some facts to work with. How many murderers have been diagnosed with what disorders? What psych meds were they on? How many had inpatient vs outpatient treatment? How do those numbers compare to the general populations? Clinical populations?
One thing no one seems to talk about is that mass killings could be a trend the way methods of suicide have trends. I find this idea plausible and quite disturbing. Now, in the US, when you realize that you need to do something spectacularly evil, the obvious thing to do is go to a school or mall and kill a bunch of people. I went to school in the 1980s, before this trend established itself, and I feel lucky to have gotten out when I did. I remember at least one kid who was bullied so bad I’m surprised he didn’t bring a gun to school. It just wasn’t what you did yet.
From that perspective, it seems unlikely that making it more difficult to buy certain guns will make much of a difference. (Of course, I have no empirical evidence to back myself up there, and I am happy to be swayed by evidence.) From that perspective, the most and perhaps only effective intervention for the problem would be the media refusing to report the incidents. This seems way less likely than gun-control legislation, and media-control legislation is more obviously unconstitutional.
The question of constitutionality of gun-control is also confusing to me. Assuming “arms” was synonymous with “weapons” in 1791, there was a pretty good constitutional argument against any kind of weapons-control 200 years ago. That argument is long obsolete. I don’t hear anyone advocating unregulated access to rocket launchers or nuclear weapons. So we’re left in this zone that is not mentioned by the constitution, where we have to draw a line between weapons we want to regulate and those that we don’t using the democratic process. That process doesn’t seem to be about the constitution any more, except when gun-rights advocates invoke it without getting into the issue of rocket launchers or Adam Lanza with a combat drone.
Finally, I am most baffled by the folks who are talking about “starting another civil war” if the government tries to “take our guns.” It’s not just that no one of any consequence is talking about disarming anyone. It’s the most clear example of the pro-military-anti-government disconnect in the right wing. Just like conservatives never seem to be thinking of the military when they mention government spending or government employees, they must not be thinking of our military as “the government” when they talk about a civil war. A civil war would not be fought against corrupt, middle-aged bureaucrats and politicians, it would be fought and lost against the United States military.
February 4, 2013 at 9:35 am
You wrote:
“…it seems unlikely that making it more difficult to buy certain guns will make much of a difference.”
I agree. When I was growing up in the 1950s a neighbor might have a loaded M1 Garand battle rifle in their closet which fires a bullet at least twice as powerful as an M16 (based on kinetic energy). Another neighbor might have a loaded surplus M1 Carbine with a 20 round “high capacity” detachable magazine. I could buy a WWII German battle rifle mail order from an ad in the back of a comic book. Kids in rural schools might even bring their 22 rifle to school.
What we didn’t have then, and what we didn’t have when you grew up apparently, is a lot of mass murderers in schools and malls and theaters.
By the way, all of those places had one thing in common. They were supposed “Gun Free Zones” where only murderers had guns. The killer in Aurora didn’t go to the theater that was closest to his home. He didn’t go to the biggest theater in Aurora. No, he went to the one that was posted as a Gun Free Zone.
I have read that in all cases where we have reliable information, the shooter – always a relatively young white male – was on some legally prescribed psychotropic drug (or in the process of withdrawal). That was true for example of the Columbine killers.
Some of these drugs, e.g., SSRIs, have serious warnings about aggression and violent ideation. From what I read a lot of young boys today are on various questionable drugs for ADHD and similar issues. That is definitely one thing that is different today than in the past. Guns we’ve always had with us in the U.S.
And wrote:
“…the most and perhaps only effective intervention for the problem would be the media refusing to report the incidents.”
I would suggest several alternative, and legal actions. First we need a serious scientific study of these drugs and perhaps tightening up how they are used. Young boys _normally_ don’t like to set around and be quiet. That is not a disease (ADHD). It is boys more often than not. Give them more gym classes to wear them out! :)
Secondly, repeal the Gun Free School Zones Act and encourage school administrations to have armed employees.
Thirdly, encourage school employees to apply for and receive concealed carry licenses. The beauty of concealed carry is the bad guy(s) don’t know who is dangerous and who is not. That discourages them.
Most of the school killers intended to commit suicide after killing others. Many of them did, and the others couldn’t quite pull the trigger when the time came. What they did _not_ want is for someone else to take their life. That is why the prospect of armed people in schools would be so discouraging for them.
Finally, how about a law that makes an establishment (like that theater in Aurora) potentially liable if they declare if “gun free”?
lwk
Who Needs An Assault Rifle?
http://free2beinamerica2.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/who-needs-an-assault-rifle/
February 4, 2013 at 9:17 pm
well said, Nate
February 10, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Here is the best “one article summary” I have found so far.
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/
The main “silent” issues are that the vast majority of handgun uses are defensive, the great majority of handgun crime is criminals shooting other criminals, and the same features that make a handgun deadly for a school shooter also make it a practical home defense choice for someone using safety slugs.
Also, this article about mass murders.
http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2012/12/15/the-seven-myths-of-mass-murders/
Mass murders are not increasing. Mass shootings are, but only because gun technology is getting better over the years and homemade bomb technology is (thankfully) still terrible.
February 11, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Oh, another thing…
> A civil war would not be fought against corrupt,
> middle-aged bureaucrats and politicians, it would
> be fought and lost against the United States military.
Two points.
1. Those few people I have talked with who had an “I would fight to keep my guns” opinion did realize they would not win. To them it was a Live Free Or Die stance.
2. The DHS has bought over 1.6 billions rounds of ammunition during the past ten months. The government is indeed broadcasting the message that “domestic terrorists” would be fought by federal employees other than the military.
http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2013/02/why-is-dhs-buying-billions-of-rounds-of.html
April 5, 2016 at 3:29 pm
Nathan, we could have a good, thorough discussion on any number of these topics sometime. Would prefer in person, but phone also works. -Tyler
April 5, 2016 at 8:40 pm
Sounds great, Tyler. Let’s do it next time we’re face to face. – Nathen